From: Dave Hines Subject: 2nd Try: MiSTed: Dear Isabella IV (Ratliff!) / Exposing the Darkness at Point Loma Nazarene College Date: 1997/05/25 Message-ID: <33889E1C.2AB@kruncher.ptloma.edu> X-Deja-AN: 243924107 Reply-To: dhi...@kruncher.ptloma.edu Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc,alt.tv.mst3k This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3E8F6DD163AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies if you've already seen this. My news program hiccuped and I don't know if it got through, so I'm trying it again. Please email responses to: dhi...@kruncher.ptloma.edu After I wrote this MiSTing, I found out that Dear Isabella III had already been done, so my upcoming project is now only "Dear Isabella II/The Only Constant" Enjoy! --------------3E8F6DD163AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="di4dark.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="di4dark.txt" ========================================================================= Hello, everyone! This will be my third MiSTing (after "Need CASH Fast?!" and "Generations 2" by Anne Lise Pasch (in Ratliff continuity). This MiSTing is "Dear Isabella IV/Exposing the Darkness at Point Loma Nazarene College". Yes, the second article is bad enough to need RATLIFF to warm up to it. In the "Exposing the Darkness" article, the author (who has always remained anonymous) mentions several students by name. To avoid concerns of libel in this MiSTing, those will be edited out and replaced by either [STUDENT] or [FACULTY]. Mr. TRUTH (as he or she is known) has since changed the page and it no longer mentions PLNC, probably because of libel suit possibilities. However, this joker is insulting my alma mater, so he deserves this. Again, I am not the Dave Hines who did the MiSTings of "Enterprized" and "A Gul's Revenge", but I will be the Dave Hines who does the MiSTing of "Dear Isabella IV" here and "Dear Isabella II/Dear Isabella III/The Only Constant" (coming soon!) Visit MiSTing Heaven at http://199.106.87.9/~boffo/msting.html ========================================================================= (This episode takes place sometime after our gang sees "Leech Woman" in the 8th season.) In the not-too-distant future.... (1...2...3...4...5...6...SOL Control Room) [Tom and Crow are having an animated discussion about what's happened to each of them in the last 500+ years.] TOM: ...and, of course, the king of the Nebulars simply couldn't stop himself from RICHLY rewarding me after that. What about you, Crow? I know you redecorated the satellite... CROW: I got a little bored after you guys left, so I signed up for those Sally Struthers courses. TOM: Yeah, I'd say that's a little bored. Which one? CROW: All of them! I know now everything about TV/VCR Repair, Gun Cleaning, the Priesthood, Carpetbagging, Taking Over Small Defenseless Countries, Business Management and Accounting! TOM: Wow! CROW: Yeah, the only bad part is it put me on the mailing list for those "Feed the Children" things, but the best part is... [Mike walks in]... I'll tell you later... MIKE: Hi Tom! Hi Crow! TOM: Hey Mike! CROW: (hmmph!) MIKE: Crow, I don't know why this sudden amnesia about me keeps coming and going! It makes no sense! CROW: Oh, *I* have sudden amnesia. Uh-huh. MIKE: (sulking) I bet he still remembers the other guy. TOM: Now, Mike, don't pout. [Ape Light (I guess we can call it that) starts flashing. Mike hits it.] [Ape Laboratory, henceforth abbreviated as "AL"] BOBO: Ah. There you are, Bright Eyes. The Lawgiver has found some ancient databases that you once referred to as the Internet. Fairly primitive, but the Lawgiver says we can start giving you these text files in addition to the movies. PEANUT: The Lawgiver is most wise. [Background apes jump and holler in agreement.] [SOL] TOM: Text files? CROW: But what about the Invention Exchange? (shakes head) Whoa! Where did THAT come from? MIKE: SEE! Tom, I told you! TOM: Mike, TEXT FILES! MIKE: Text files? What sort of text files? [AL] BOBO: Well, I know not of this Invention Exchange. Perhaps it is some primitive human custom, but your first file is from one (checks a clipboard) Stephen Ratliff... [SOL] ALL: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CROW: I DO remember Ratliff! (starts sobbing) TOM: NOOOO!!!!! There must be some way to get away from that guy! [AL] PEANUT: From what we've found so far, this Ratliff person wrote five thousand, four hundred and thirty-seven stories. BOBO: Like Dr. Peanut said, that's what we've found so far... [SOL] MIKE: Killmenowkillmenowkillmenow.... [AL] BOBO: There, there, Bright Eyes, it's not so bad! And when you're done with the short piece we have for you today, we have a nice little rant from somebody exposing some sort of darkness... Enjoy!!! [SOL] MIKE: We have Internet sign!!!!!!! [Standard general chaos. 6...5...4...3...2...1...SOL Theatre] TOM: Not even 500 years at the edge of the galaxy is enough to recover from Ratliff. >[Set after Dear Isabella I] MIKE: No, I upchucked after Dear Isabella I. > >Dear Isabella, CROW: (as Clara) I skipped the cheesy ASCII art letters. Aren't you proud of me? TOM: Join us now as one of Ratliff's characters talks to the voices in her head again! > I'm back from the picnic. MIKE: (as Clara) It was good. I couldn't even taste the anti-depressants in the food this time. > I wore my pale yellwo CROW: (yelling) Woe! Woe is me! > blouse under a >blue jean jumper. TOM: Whether doing implausible repairs for Marrissa or ordering adults around, Clara looks good! > My father took me to the holodeck. (I protested, but >I'm glad he made me go) MIKE: Odd moment for Ratliff. An ADULT making a CHILD do something. TOM: Not to mention a Ratliff character with living parents. > Counselor Troi introduced me to an older blond girl named >Marrissa. CROW: (as Clara) I've since taken out a contract on the Betazoid buttinsky. > We were both a little shy until she metioned that she'd once >been trapped in the turbolift with the Captain. I told her about my >encounter with him. We spent most of the picnic talking. TOM: (as Clara) ...plotting our takeover of Starfleet and the Federation. > She introduced me to "her friend the letter" a boy named Jay >Gordon. Jay was with a strange alien named MIKE: E.T.! TOM: Gordon Schumway! CROW: Diana from V! (rrrrooowwll!!!) > Alex. I think he was >Klingon. They later attacked us with water balloons. CROW: They should have attacked them with sulphuric acid balloons. > We got them back though. Squirt guns have better range that >those two boys's arms. TOM: All of a sudden, it's a SuperSoaker commercial. > >Your Friend, > >Clara MIKE: Three words that seldom go together... > MIKE: Hey, I think it's over! Let's get out of here! TOM: That was fairly easy for Ratliff! [1...2...3...4...5...6...SOL Control Room. Crow is present and seems to be writing something.] CROW: (speaking as he writes) Dear TV's Frank. Weird day today. I was talking with Servo about these last 500 years when that strange human came by and nosed in to our business again. I wonder where he gets off being around here. I... [Mike comes in and sees what Crow is writing.] MIKE: Hey, you're writing a letter to TV's Frank. How sweet! CROW: For your information, Murray... MIKE: It's Mike. CROW: Whatever. Imaginary friends are nothing to be looked down upon. They indicate high creativity and imagination! MIKE: But Crow, TV's Frank wasn't imaginary! He was Dr. Forrester's sidekick until he left with Torgo! CROW: Uh-huh... and just who is Torgo? MIKE: Crow, if you don't remember that, I won't do you the disservice of telling you. [Lights and sirens go off.] MIKE: We have Internet sign again!!!! [General chaos that Tom rushes in to participate in. 6...5...4...3...2...1... SOL Theatre] > > Welcome to TRUTH TOM: (ala Gauntlet II) Welcome, Blue Valkyrie! > The Righteous United Through Him MIKE: They forgot a "Self" in there. > > OUR MISSION IS TO CROW: ...TURN OFF THE CAPS LOCK. > EXPOSE THE DARKNESS BY SHINING THE LIGHT OF THE LORD > JESUS CHRIST TOM: But if you can't expose darkness with light. It just disappears. Take a physics class! > > > Eph. 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, > but rather expose them." MIKE: So we should only have fellowship with fruitful works of darkness? > > We are surely in the "evil day" as described in the Bible. CROW: Monday. > There is much > wickedness all around us. It is the task of the true brethren to expose > the works of darkness so more can see clearly and come to repentance and > salvation. TOM: Well, that's one explanation of what we're doing. > This of course can only be done by God's Spirit working in the > hearts of His people. It is God's desire, and therefore our desire, to see > more souls saved and that none would perish. We hope by exposing the > darkness in areas around San Diego we can help to accomplish this task. MIKE: (as TRUTH) Those outside San Diego can go ahead and perish. We don't care. > > Click here for our expose on: > > > POINT LOMA NAZARENE COLLEGE CROW: No. > > 1 Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the > house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that > obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where > shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? TOM: If judgment does first begin at them, I wish it would hurry up already. > > CLICK HERE FOR MADAME TINGLEY INFO MIKE: I don't think you boys should click there. > > > > Please send us an email with your comments. TRUTH CROW: No, we'll make our comments here and now, thank you. > > Exposing the Darkness at: > > Point Loma > Nazarene College > > Are you thinking of sending your child to PLNC? You might have > second thoughts after hearing what we and some of the students have to > say here. TOM: And you might have first thoughts if you acknowledge this for the spiteful nonsense that it is. > > > It is amazing to me the range of responses we have been receiving. Some of > you actually thought we were JOKING! This is NO JOKE I assure you. MIKE: We actually are this stupid. > We have been sent death threats, computer viruses, and some nasty hate > mail. We must remain anonymous for now because of these threats. CROW: Then how do you explain being anonymous before all this came in? > How > would the Lord Jesus respond to His enemies? How will the > administration handle our views? Will they pray for us? Will they love us > and accept persecution as the norm for a Christian College? TOM: Then it stands to reason that you should accept persecution as a norm if you're so much of the "Christian voice". > What should > a true Christian do? The Lord Jesus said "by their fruits you will know > them. " MIKE: And this author is a fruit. > Do you love us PLNC ? Do you love God ? Or do you love only > PLNC ? CROW: All three are better than this author's only loving himself. > > Here are some of the responses we have received so far. > > > I just wanted to let you know that I respect what you are doing, and to > encourage you! TOM: Ah, the death threats and persecution are evident. > Not that you need it, but you don't find a lot of people > around here who are ready to give up their lives for God and do whatever > it takes to serve Him. That is the kind of woman that I want to be MIKE: Even if I am a man at the current moment. > and it > seems like there is no one around here that I can turn to as a mentor or > even look at as a model of what a true woman is who is seeking so > desperately with all her heart to be pleasing to God. CROW: (as supposed letter writer) Looking in the Bible for a role model is way too hard! > I guess I want > someone like that. I ask that you pray that God will send me someone like > that or mabye he wants me to seek Him directly. I guess I just need some > encouragement and you don't get a lot of that around here. TOM: Funny how you don't get much encouragement after insulting everyone, isn't it? > I have to go > class. God Bless (name withheld by us for student's safety) MIKE: Let us all bless the withheld name! CROW: Safety from what? > > > Is Christ's Body divided? Some write and thank us. Others write and curse > us. How can that be? TOM: Some people are self-righteous. Some people are not. Easy enough. > John 10:11-13, "I am the good. shepherd. (The Lord > Jesus) The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. But he who is a > hireling and not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the > wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep > and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling > and does not care about the sheep. MIKE: But you're not doing too much "laying down" since you and all these supposed letters agreeing with you are anonymous... > > The Lord Jesus tells us that the one who really cares about the sheep are > willing to lay down their lives for them. Do we see this type of leadership > today in the church and on campus? CROW: I guess there's just not enough opportunity to die on today's Christian campuses to find out. > > John 10:19-21, "Therefore there was division again among the Jews > because of these sayings. And many of them said, "He has a demon and is > mad. Why do you listen to Him? Others said, 'These are not the words of > one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?" TOM: So our author is now equating himself with Christ. > > The Godly will hear the Shepherd's call to holiness, confession and > repentance. The Lord Jesus's call in their hearts. MIKE: The sentence fragment. > The ungodly will mock > and defame the true messengers and the message. CROW: The occupants of the Satellite of Love will riff on this self- righteous tripe. > Matthew 23:37-38, "Oh, > Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who > are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together as a > hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! > Your house is left to you desolate." TOM: I think this guy is still alive. > > > Some of you wrote in complaining about the spelling and grammar on this > web site. We confess it is not the best. MIKE: Well, at least he's confessing to something. > There are many contributors here > and we do not have time to check it all out. (Please don't check out the link > below to the History page of PLNC 'S web site as you won't like the > spelling or punctuation there either!) MIKE: Well, so much for that. Now he's blaming others for his faults. > We have posted the students letters > as they were sent to us. But seriously, "Is that all you focus on here?" Do > you strain at a knat and swallow a camel like the Pharisees did? Did the > Lord Jesus use language people couldn't understand? He spoke so that He > could be understood by all ages and types of people. (Except the Pharisees > in their ivory towers!) Open your hearts to the message here, not the typos > and mistakes. CROW: No, Jesus had a good sense of grammar. That is WHY common people could understand him. TOM: This message IS the mistake. > > > Note the following words from President Jim L. Bond: "At PLNC we have > an additional ingredient. We view life holistically, believing that the > spiritual aspect is a vital component to successful living. We are a > Christian college. Our commitment to Jesus Christ as Lord pervades every > part of collegiate life, including the classroom. Here, highly skilled and > committed Christian professors continually employ creative methods in > helping students integrate faith, learning, and living. The result is a > transforming experience for students who then become agents of > transformation in their world. This is the goal of the education at Point > Loma Nazarene College." > > Do these words of his match up with what is being taught on campus!? > > What does he mean by "holistically"? What are these "creative methods"? MIKE: What do we mean by "dictionary"? > > WHY DOES THE SCHOOL PROMOTE THE BLASTING OF ROCK > MUSIC AFTER CHAPEL JIM BOND? CROW: (as TRUTH) Because Rock Music is sinful! TOM: What about Christian rock? CROW: (as TRUTH) Shut up. MIKE: And even beyond Christian rock, doesn't Mark 7:18 say "'Are you so dull?' he asked. 'Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?'" CROW: (as TRUTH) Shut up. > > IS THIS TRULY A LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE JIM BOND? DO WE > HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH HERE TOO JIM BOND? TOM: I don't know. Have you paid enrollment fees? > > WHERE ARE THE GODLY PROFESSOR'S I HEAR ABOUT ? WHY > DO THEY REMAIN SILENT? I KNOW THERE ARE SOME GODLY > MEN AND WOMEN ON CAMPUS. ARE YOU NOT GRIEVED BY ALL > YOU SEE AROUND YOU ? SPEAK OUT ! MIKE: Possibly because they're professionals, they're not self-righteous, and you're not worth their time? > > > Notice here now the following disclaimer found on the HOME PAGE OF > PLNC'S STUDENT WEB SITES : > > Point Loma Nazarene College recognizes the value of personal expression on > the Internet, and so encourages the production of World Wide Web homepages > by faculty, staff and students. However, Point Loma Nazarene College > accepts no reponsibility for the content of those pages. The views and > opinions expressed in these pages are strictly those of the authors. > Comments on the contents of those pages should be directed to the page > authors. PLNC reserves the right to withdraw any or all of these pages at > any time, for any reason. > > I would gather by the previous statement that PLNC is not against personal > expression on the Internet. CROW: Well, personal expression and libel are two different things. > I would also gather that they are not against what > the students are saying or expressing on their own personal sites. Since the > Administration states that this is a "Christian College" and that "Our > commitment to Jesus Christ as Lord pervades every part of collegiate life, > including the classroom", this would naturally imply that the Lord Jesus > Christ is approving of all of these PLNC sponsored activities. > > We would like to ask the question, 'Would the Lord Jesus Christ approve of > the name of Madame Tingley being associated with this campus?' (See link > to PLNC Campus History below) Would He approve of web sites created by > students that link up with EVILNET? TOM: Isn't this page EVILNET? > Since PLNC has said they reserve the > right to withdraw anyone's web pages, but have not, then we can only > conclude that either they do not care or that they approve of them. MIKE: Good. Assert your freedom of speech in one breath and deny it to others in the next. > > One way of getting an idea of what is going on at PLNC is to read there > student newspaper. Although some of the people interviewed by the paper in > the past have complained that the articles written were slanted and full of > misquotes, you can at least get an idea of what is taking place on campus. > Here are a few articles we have found quite interesting in THE POINT > STUDENT NEWSPAPER. > > > >From the POINT 10/21/96 issue: > Diverse views revealed at faculty forum > by [STUDENT] CROW: [STUDENT]? What's that? MIKE: Our author's attempt to avoid repeating libel. > news editor > > On Tuesday night Solomon Theater was the setting for one of the livelier > debates witnessed during this election year. Dean of Academic Affairs > [FACULTY], Professor of French and Literature [FACULTY], Professor > of Political Science [FACULTY], Professor of Communications [FACULTY] > , and Professor of Sociology [FACULTY] took the stage at the > ASB-sponsored "Perspectives on the Election" in front of around 100 > students and faculty to sound their political views. > > "The traits of character that go into being a good president may not be the > same as character that yields a good marriage or family life," said > [FACULTY]. > "When I fly on a plane, I dont ask the pilot who he slept with last night. I'm > more concerned with how he flies the plane," added [FACULTY]. TOM: Except of course, if that meant he couldn't sleep. > > "I think students here tonight were trying to find where > Christian principles fit in to politics," said [FACULTY]. "In > my opinion, they've been misled into thinking conservative > economics is also Christian policy." > > Topics of the night ranged from the Christian Coalition to Affirmative > Action. The night started off with a bang when [FACULTY] said, "The > Christian Coalition is about tax cuts, not Christian concerns." He added > that nowhere in the Bible does it mention lower taxes or corrupt > government, a point students took issue with during the question and > answer time. > MIKE: OK... > > > Is PLNC losing its religion? > by [STUDENT] > > guest writer > > Monday's chapel was great. Spiritual emphasis week is over and we can > still be close to God. We all want to have an undivided heart and commit > everything to Jesus. Everyone was praying and asking God to have mercy on > their worthless souls and asking for forgiveness for all the sins they > committed, even after going to church every day last week. God will be > there though, to tell us that every little thing is going to be all right. > Happy, happy, joy, joy. CROW: Ah, Ren and Stimpy Chapel. > > After getting my warm fuzzy, I headed for the library to study. I threaded my > way carefully past all the PLNC women in their little black skirts that came > down to their belly button and their tight, white see-through shirts, complete > with lace bra. Ever so careful to keep my thoughts clear, I concentrated on > my previous warm fuzzy. TOM: If your eye causes you to sin, rip it out. > > By the time I had made it to Caf Lane, still feeling very fuzzy, "Take it easy > baby, make it last all night" came blasting from the front of the cafeteria, > and that fuzzy flew out my left ear to be replaced with images that went right > along with that song. > > I wondered, as I do nearly every day, how that song or many like it, are > played on our school-sponsored radio station. I also wondered how all these > women can walk around like they do so that it looks like Rosecrans emptied > its night life onto our campus and how this produces an atmosphere of vital > Christianity. > > Why is it that we as Christians call each other to a pure heart and mind, then > fill it with garbage on a daily basis? MIKE: Just because garbage is out there, doesn't mean you take it in. Sheesh. > Why is it that we who are supposed to > set ourselves apart from the world could fit in at most night clubs in the Gas > Lamp District? Maybe because that's where you hang out anyway, but you > are probably handing out tracts or something so it's OK. Or you might argue > that sitting in one's dorm room on campus, one is subjected to songs like > "....its not fair to remind you of the mess you made...," but I can't even get > away from it when I go to class. CROW: They play Alannis in the classroom? Alright! > > How could anyone be surprised that the generation arriving on the college > scene today doesn't believe in the power of the spirit over sin? Look at what > you fill your mind with and then ask yourself, is their any room left for > Jesus? Lord, prepare me to be a sanctuary, riiiiiiiiight. Sing me another song > you only believe in once a week. How about light the fire again? > TOM: If God lit the fire, little things like that don't put it out. > > > Can you get the idea of how a student who is trying his or her best to walk > with God is accosted by this darkness on campus day after day? We applaud > this student's courage for speaking out for what he believes. We encourage > other true believers to "come out of the closet" and speak up for > righteousness sake! MIKE: Too easy... > > Jeremiah 6:16 "Thus says the Lord: Stand in the ways and see, and ask for > the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; Then you will find rest > for your souls. But they said 'We will not walk in it.' Also, I set watchmen > over you, saying, 'Listen to the sound of the trumpet!' But they said "We will > not listen!" CROW: But which is which? TRUTH's way or PLNC's way? > > Has anyone hear that Revival has supposedly broken out at a sister college > of PLNC, Northwest Nazarene College in Napa, Idaho? Many students there > have been meeting for prayer, confession of sin, (accompanied by tears of > repentance) and fasting! What is restraining God's hand here at PLNC? TOM: Self righteous morons with web access. > Cry > out to God for reviva l with all your heart but know it will not come until > there are hearts open to repentance and confession of sin. Historically God > has started the revival in the hearts of the young people. Keep praying young > warriors out there! MIKE: He just said there aren't any believers, then encouraged the believers? > > PLNC Samedi Gras provides safe Halloween alternative > > A glimpse into Samedi Gras and the origin of Halloween > by [STUDENT] > staff writer > > Think of spending 2.4 billion dollars for a one night freak-fun experience. > This is the total amount of dollars spent by Americans before and during the > Halloween festival each year, according to The Economist Newspaper. The > Associated Mens Students (AMS) of PLNC have a contribution in that > direction coming up Oct. 26 called Samedi Gras. Samedi Gras is a traditional > festival hosted each year by the AMS which is assisted by other clubs. VOICE: I wouldn't say assisted. They actually make more money than we do! TOM: Who was that? MIKE: Our author again. He thinks he knows something about this. > > The venue for this year's festival will be Caf Lane and the two green slopes > next to the cafeteria. Last year the activities took place at the Ryan Library > Rotunda, extending through the area that is currently under construction for > the Commons building. The plans for the festival are well underway and the > organizers are expecting the event to be a success. All registered college > clubs are expected to participate actively. CROW: Hot construction-caused alternative action! > > The events in each booth depend totally on the individual clubs, according to > Hines. TOM: Who is Hines and why isn't his name blocked out? MIKE: I'd say he's proof of editing in this article. > They could be mild or bizarre, as the booth of Chi Delta Psi displayed > last year with a live greased pig that ran around and while the rushees tried > to catch it. > > Halloween is now Americas next-to-favorite holiday sliding, into second > right after Christmas. Thanksgiving and Easter dont even come close in > competition, according to The Economist Newspaper > > PLNCs Samedi Gras may be an alternative, but the name Samedi Gras itself > has an interesting genre. The name Samedi (Saturday) Gras has connections > with both Halloween and Mardi (Tuesday) Gras. This is the annual carnival > whereby people revel in wild and sometimes immoral acts before Ash > Wednesday, when they can repent. Mardi Gras comes on the eve of Lent, > which is the period before Easter on the Christian calendar. CROW: Thus all French words are evil. That makes sense. I... huh? > > [STUDENT], a sophomore Liberal Studies major, said that she totally > disagrees with the idea of an alternative. [STUDENT] said that as a > Christian community, PLNC should not engage in activities with an obviously > heathen background. TOM: Like reading this web page. MIKE: So I would take it Ms. Roles doesn't celebrate Christmas either. TOM: Huh? MIKE: Look it up. Christ was actually born sometime in summer or early fall. > > [STUDENT] was referring to the origin of the Halloween festival, which goes > back to the British and Irish superstitious tradition of fighting off the > supernatural power of the dead and evil spirits. > > "If Christians should be doing anything on Halloween, it should be > praying," said [STUDENT]. CROW: Of course! All Christians should be stolid people locked up in their high and mighty towers looking down on the unbelievers, right? MIKE: Um... no. > > To that we say a loud "AMEN !" [STUDENT]. TOM: You would. > > To read these and other interesting articles click here for : THE POINT MIKE: I hope not even the apes are cruel enough to give us the entire student newspaper page. > > > Here are a few more letters we recently received. CROW: Q Z T D O K L TOM: (snicker) > > Return-Path: From: [STUDENT] > Subject: Darkness at PLNC To: tr...@cts.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 > 18:47:10 -0700 (PDT) > > You've made some pretty incredible claims now let's see your proof. I've > seen no blood stains in Prescot Chapel. MIKE: Hey, it's a letter from OJ's defense team. > Now the women's underwear I > believe, however I would assume they were there for other reasons. In > closing I just like to ask you to print whatever it was that [FACULTY] > wrote in response to your claims. If you are as right as you think you are > you should be able to refute anything he says that you feel may be > threatening to the well being of our campus. Also feel free to write me > back or use anything that I wrote. CROW: (as TRUTH) That would imply we're more interested in the truth than in being right. Can't do it, sorry! > > > Return-Path: From: [STUDENT] Subject: > reply to website To: tr...@cts.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:55:18 -0700 > (PDT) > > Also disturbing are your claims concerning [FACULTY]. TOM: Also disturbing is the editing of these letters. > He is a > professor of one of my classes and my academic advisor. I cannot say that I > know him extremely well, but I can say that by all outward indications I have > experienced he is an upright Christian man. For you to print that he is not > saved is total effrontery. Do you know him personally, have you ever > conversed with him (other than the recent e-mails)? Besides the statement > that a student passed on to you, what do you base the accusation of his > "lostness" on? > > (We base this on what we have heard of his teachings in class, both firsthand > and by report.) MIKE: So basically, he gave you a bad grade, and you trade in gossip. Got it. > > Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:54:47 -0700 X-Sender: > [STUDENT] To: :@kruncher.ptloma.edu From: Pale > Angel Subject: To whom it may concern... Your page- Exposing the > Darkness at: Point Loma Nazarene College, is the most insulting, incorrect, > ignorant piece of raving drivel I have ever laid my eyes on. CROW: Finally! A statement on this page that makes sense. > Never has the > internet been put to a more insidious use than this. As a student of PLNC I > am shocked and offended -not by the supposed "truth" of what you say- but > instead by the arrogance by which you say it. I am not a Christian. I did > however grow up in a Christian home and know what "good" Christians are > supposed to behave like. > > Notice how he says what "good Christians" are supposed to behave like. > This is evidence of the teaching of the "Pharisees". > > If we are "good"Christians, we are supposed to be filled with God's Spirit > and His love and that will lead our behavior. If God's Spirit is not present in > us then we see ungodly behavior. I do not fault this person or anyone else > there on campus for their "bad behavior". > > They see a very strong DOUBLE STANDARD on campus and in the > Nazarene church. > > DON'T DANCE! DON'T SMOKE! DON'T DRINK! DON'T FEEL! DON'T > SPEAK! AND MOST OF ALL DON'T DO WHAT I DO !!! > > Look at what the Lord Jesus said : Matthew Chapter 23:1-8 > > 1 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, > 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (THE FALSE > TEACHERS) TOM: Jesus is saying a lot of numbers. MIKE: Those are verse numbers, Tom! > 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do > not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (This means they do not > practice what they preach) > 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on > men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their > fingers. > 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their > phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, > 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the > synagogues, > (The Fine Dining, the Golf Tournaments, the Fancy Cars and Homes, The > Big Salaries, etc.) > 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. (Dr. > Dr., Professor, Professor, Reverend, Reverend) > 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye > are brethren. > > Matthew 15:7-9 > 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people > draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; > but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for > doctrines the commandments of men. CROW: OK, whose side are you on? > > Many students have walked away from God because they see NO POWER in > the lives of their parents, pastors, teachers, etc. They are crying out for help! > They are tired of the HYPOCRISY OF THE PHARISEES AND SCRIBES > ON CAMPUS, AT HOME, AND IN THE CHURCH !!! > > WE SEE NO LIFE THEY CRY ! > > Why do you think so many go down to Tijuana every Wednesday night and > get wasted! They are tired of a dull, boring, lifeless Christianity!!! They are > turning to the occult, to sex, to homosexuality, to drugs, to rock music, to > anything but the DULL, BORING, DEATH THEY SEE IN THE CHURCH > !!! WAKE UP CHRISTIANS! SEE THE PAIN OF THE LOST AROUND > YOU !!! DO WE TRULY CARE ABOUT THEM AS GOD DOES? TOM: Well, YOU don't. > Take your walk with Christ seriously and cry out to God for the lost on > Campus! If you are walking with the Lord you should not be offended by a > call to repentance, confession, prayer, and holiness! > > Notice the rest of this student's letter. MIKE: Wait a minute, when did we leave the letter? > > Would you like to see the way of truth?? Do you need help to find your > meaning in life?? Would it help if we met face to face and had a nice long > talk?? probably not, but if you would like there are many other students on > campus (Christian and NonChristian) who would love to have it out with > you. To hear your side of the story. To see what kind of person puts this > "literature" on the internet and expects to be seen as a moderating force in > the issue. They have been alerted by your pamphlets and your page. And > they ARE LISTENING... So perhaps I am instead the enemy you challenge. > While I don't normally thrash places of worship or rape and pillage christian > campuses everywhere, CROW: At least, not normally. > I do in fact stand against you and your ideas.... > > -I love the dark. TOM: I haven't paid my electric bill. > > -I find entertainment in the occult. > > -I revel in my duality of humanity and spirituality. > > -I like this college. > > -I do not go to church and would probably fall asleep or > die of boredom if I did. > > -I Love Madam Tingley and would start a merchandise > chain of T-shirts and little plaster Greek Ampetheaters > just for the chance to see her. > > -I dance > > I do not do any of these from any religious point of view, however I drink in > the opportunities which arise to explore new facets of the jewel we call life. > Life by the way is not a satanic practice. > > If you like you can use any portion of this letter including my full name > in your page. Mind you several others are receiving a copy of this... and > the way information flies here I wouldn't be surprised if the whole school > is buzzing about this soon enough... I am going to make a webpage > concerning your claims. It will be a billboard of comments from anyone who > sees fit to. Meanwhile, I beseech you to write me back, let's talk. Share > ideas and verses... I'll lay off the cynicism for now, but... ah... well, > let's just say that sarcasm is an extremelly well defined trait in my > family. I could draw blood if I wanted to... > > Sincerely, Your Friendly Denizen of the Dark, > > [STUDENT] MIKE: (Folger's Crystals voice) Let's see if TRUTH recognizes any sarcasm. > > Here is another one that made me weep. CROW: Nope. > > Return-Path: From: [WITHHELD]@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:06:37 > -0400 (EDT) To: tr...@cts.com TOM: Insert AOL joke here. > > My son told me that PLNC had a web site but I didn't think I would find this! > I do agree with you however. I sent my son to that school, a very expensive > school, and he DISCOVERED HIMSELF! What he means is he's turning > into a homosexual! I should have sent him to a State school. Anyway, not > that it matters but I hope you do bring out the Darkness in that school. Let > me know how things go. MIKE: Obviously, he wouldn't be a homosexual at a state school... I... huh? TOM: Hehehe... the classics never die. > > WRITE TO THAT MAN AND ASK HIM IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE WE > ARE FOR REAL ! GOD IS SO GRIEVED BY THIS KIND OF DARKNESS CROW: No thanks. I try to avoid talking to most AOL people. TOM: God is grieved by this kind of self-righteousness too. > ! > > > Are you aware that the head speaker of last year's student > graduation ceremony was an admitted homosexual? MIKE: I was not aware of that. > > Many Students were saddened , disillusioned and outraged over this! > > A note here to any homosexuals who read this page. We must take this > opportunity to express here our deep sorrow and regret for the way the > church as a whole has responded to you as a group. This attitude is not of > God. We all need to continually ask God to forgive us of our wicked hearts. > The Lord Jesus loves all homosexuals and teaches us to do the same. This > has not been expressed enough to you as a group. We personally know that > many people turn to this lifestyle because they were abused as children and > /or have not found the love and healing they desire in the church. We are > sorry if you have not felt the love of Christ towards you. For this we are > deeply sorry. CROW: Red hot disclaimer action! > > But we on the other hand can never, never go against God's holy word. > Homosexuality is clearly against the word of God and only leads one into > deeper despair. (See Romans Chapter 1:24-32) This we believe should be the > position of a true believer. To love the sinner, but hate the sin. All sin is > grievious in the sight of our holy God. What about you PLNC? Where do you > stand on this issue? TOM: Pretty much against you. > > > Some feel the letters"PLNC" have come to mean, > " a Place of Little or No Christianity" MIKE: Some feel a better acronym for this page would be "LIES": "Losers Idolizing and Extolling Selves". CROW: This guy likes his acronyms! > > > > There are many problems at PLNC, a supposedly ideal "Christian Campus". > By touring the campus you might not see many outward signs of these > problems. > > The real truth is, PLNC has become a modern day WHITEWASHED > SEPULCHRE. It looks nice and pristine and white on the outside, but inside > is full of DEAD MAN'S BONES! TOM: (as TRUTH) I know, I put them there. > > Matthew 23:27-28 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye > are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, > but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye > also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of > hypocrisy and iniquity." MIKE: Again, quoting verses doesn't help when there's a good chance they're referring to you. > > Before we go on to expose some more of the very strange and perverse > happenings at PLNC let us now mention something very important. > > THE BRIGHT SPOT OF PLNC, IS IT'S STUDENTS! ALL: (Making kiss up sounds) CROW: This is, of course, after condemning students right and left above. > > We have found some very bright, energetic, and God-hungry students on > campus. There are some good things they are doing in their prayer times and > their ministries. We weep for them! The problem lies not with the students. It > is the administration and the faculty that we speak of here. Surely there are > some bright spots within them also. There are some who truly love the Lord, > and love serving Him by teaching and helping the students there. But in > some of the administration and the faculty we have found dead faith, > hypocrisy, legalism, sexual immorality, intellectual snobbery, rebellion and > pride. TOM: How can you have rebellion and legalism at the same time? MIKE: That was just the list of faults I was finding with this page... well except there's no proof here of sexual immorality. CROW: That's OK, do what TRUTH does! If you think so, it must be so! > > There is a total refusal to repent from these sins and to seek the True and > Living One. Instead students are taught to doubt their Christian faith. This is > not only taught by word, but also by example. TOM: Isn't a questioned faith stronger? MIKE: But that may lead people to be able see through this! > > I am sure some people will find our words "harsh" or "judgmental". We > have only to look at the words above of the Lord Jesus Christ to see what He > had to say to the religious hypocrites of His day. CROW: And to see what TRUTH has coming to him. > > Our Lord Jesus used very strong language indeed when addressing some of > the scribes and Pharisees. Look though at His response when the disciples > told Jesus that the Pharisees were offended by Jesus's words. TOM: Um... this is below, not above. > Matthew 15:12-14 "Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest > thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he > answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, > shall be rooted up.Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if > the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." MIKE: Then, either way, you should leave us alone! > > It was the humble, the broken, the children that Jesus was kind and gentle > to. He knew they were being misled by the adults. Although the students are > not children anymore, the Lord Jesus certainly cares just as much for them > also as He is aware that they are being led down the wrong path by the > prideful false teachers of this day. CROW: Jesus loves everyone the same. That doesn't make everyone children. > > Matthew 18:1-7 "At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, > Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little > child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say > unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall > not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble > himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of > heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth > me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, > it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and > that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because > of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man > by whom the offence cometh!" TOM: Ah. The famous formula of quoting from King James to make yourself sound smart. MIKE: Wasn't this guy defending his grammar errors earlier by saying Jesus spoke so that he could be understood? > > If one was to read the recent Crime Report Statistics published in the Point > Newspaper, one would get the impression that all is well on campus. The > truth is there has been some very severe and satanic incidents on campus > over the past few years. I believe the Security Dept. has been instructed to > keep these things quiet. CROW: See! If TRUTH believes, it must be so. TOM: Notice the constant shift from singular to plural pronouns. MIKE: He said earlier he was a group. I'm starting to think he's an individual and he's slipping up. > Some of these incidents have become well-known. > Others are swept neatly and quietly under the rug of silence. Here are a few > examples: > > 1. Prescott Prayer Chapel last year, was found to be desecrated in what > appeared to be some sort of satanic ritual. Blood and feces were splattered > on the walls and floor. Woman's undergarments were left there also, stained > with blood. This incident was kept very quiet. CROW: And does TRUTH have an alibi? > > 2. Sexual molestations of students have allegedly taken place for years on > campus. We have been told allegations of sexual molestation were taken to > the San Diego District attorney's office, but know one there was interested in > handling the case. The parents of the Nazarene students involved decided to > go up to the Los Angeles District attorney's office to press their claims. > According to our sources, although the DA believed the parents and said > they had a good case, he said he had no jurisdiction and could not help > them. One of the alleged perpetrators was [FACULTY], from > Communication Studies. It is rumored that he is now finally being forced to > retire. TOM: Ooohh... Libel Territory... MIKE: Again, lots of rumor trading from a supposed Christian. > > 3. There have been numerous incidents of break-ins and vandalism > throughout the campus. The most recent being the break-in occurring the > night of April 15th when someone trashed the library throwing books all > over the place, releasing many crickets throughout the building and other > miscellaneous deeds of darkness. CROW: Of course it was Satan! It couldn't be just a school prank! > > There are many, many other incidents like this going on. From the more > "innocent" type of things like gigantic food fights in the cafeteria, > break-ins/ and vandalism etc., to the much more serious type of satanic > ceremonies and rituals. TOM: Ahh... Food Fights are satanic now, huh? MIKE: I think this guy thinks any actions besides reading the Bible or or praying is satanic. TOM: Does that include designing self-righteous web pages? CROW: (as TRUTH) Shut up. > > When the Spirit of the Lord is in our lives we should have a soberness in > our spirit and be serious about our life as a believer. "Be sober, be > vigilant, for your adversary TOM: TRUTH. > the devil TOM: Call him what you want. > is like a roaring lion seeking to > devour."-1 Peter 5:18 The Spirit of God brings discipline, love, > self-control into our lives, not mayhem, vandalism and chaos. Again, I > believe these things are happening because of the lack of a true spiritual > leadership in the church and on campus. The main question is, "WHY ARE > THESE INCIDENTS HAPPENING ON A CHRISTIAN CAMPUS?" MIKE: No the main question is, "WHY IS THIS RUMOR TRADING BEING PUBLISHED BY A CHRISTIAN?" CROW: Oh, I see! Incidents caused by one or two people make the whole campus un-Christian. > > WHY IS PRESIDENT JIM BOND ALLOWING ALL OF THIS TO > CONTINUE ON CAMPUS? TOM: WHY IS CTS.COM ALLOWING THIS LIBELLOUS TRIPE ON THEIR WEB SERVER? > WHO IS REALLY RUNNING THINGS AT > PLNC? MIKE: Free Masons! > CAN WE BLAME THE LORD JESUS FOR ALL OF THIS? CROW: For this page? Well, um... > GOD > FORBID! CROW: Yeah, that was basically my answer. > > > TO BE CONTINUED ...... MIKE: Don't you threaten us! > > > TO UNDERSTAND THE OCCULTIC HISTORY OF THE CAMPUS > FIRST CLICK HERE TO VISIT PLNC'S OWN HISTORY PAGE, THEN > COMEBACK AND WE WILL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU! >>>>> PLNC > HISTORY TOM: TRUTH explains it all! > > CLICK HERE FOR MORE ON THE OCCULTIC HISTORY OF THE > CAMPUS/MADAME TINGLEY > CROW: Stop telling us what to do. > > > CLICK HERE FOR INFO ON TRUTH TOM: I think we're gathering all the info we need. > > > > Please send us an email with your comments. We especially want to hear > more feedback from more of the students. If you have been sexually harassed > by any of the faculty, staff or administration we want to help! Please drop us > a line. We promise complete confidentiality. >>>>> EMAIL TO TRUTH MIKE: Hey! I got it! TRUTH is Geraldo! > > > YOU ARE VISITOR : CROW: No, I am trapped and forced to read this. > > History of the Campus > > The present Point Loma campus of approximately 90 acres was first > established as an educational site by the Theosophical Society of America > and has been occupied since by Balboa TOM: (as Rocky) ADRIIIIIAAAANNNNN!!!!!!! > University, California Western > College, and United States International University. > > The early occupants of this campus erected CROW: Say! > a number of wooden buildings, CROW: Oh. [Mike shakes his head.] > several of which are still in use. Since 1953, 28 additional buildings > have been constructed on the campus and are in daily use. Several campus > building are of historical interest. Among these are: > > > > > The Greek Amphitheatre. The first of > its type to be built in the United States, it > provides a spectacular setting for > dramatic and musical presentations, and > for academic convocations. TOM: (As TRUTH) All Greek inspired things are evil! MIKE: Wasn't the New Testament originally written in Greek? CROW: (as TRUTH) Shut up. > > > > Mieras Hall. This interesting structure was built by the > Spaulding family and now houses several administrative > offices of the College. It is easily identified by the large purple > glass dome over the center of the building. TOM: A college is proud of a purple dome? > > > > Cabrillo Hall. Originally built as a residence for > Madame Tingley, the leader of the Theosophical > Society, This two story wooden building is located in > the central portion of the campus. MIKE: (spooky voice): And she's still there! > > > > | PLNC Home Page | Academic Departments | Alumni > Information | Library > | Collegiate Life | Information Resources | Whats New | > > This page was last updated on Saturday, April 26, 1997. CROW: Well, that historical info may change at any time, so come back often! > > Let me ask you a "Theosophical" question... TOM: Oh cripes. Now it's a musical. > > > > Q: Who said...? "Reincarnation gives our conception of God's infinite plan > a wide scope. It alone solves the problems of injustice and misery which > brood over our world." MIKE: Pia Zadora, for reasons still unclear. > > "I am certain that Jesus was an initiate, an advanced theosophist; so was > St. Paul." CROW: Doesn't "initiate" mean beginner? > > "Being a mystic, Jesus had some of this inner knowledge. He had evolved > through his different incarnations to a position of much trust in the > Supreme..." TOM: (unsure) Uh-huh... > > Q: And what familiar campus grounds did the L.A. Times nickname "THE > SPOOKERY" in the early 1900's? MIKE: All of them! > > A: Katherine Tingley, and her Theosophical Society endeavors built on OUR > VERY OWN POINT LOMA NAZARENE COLLEGE CAMPUS GROUNDS! CROW: What's this "our" stuff? Back when you were flinging accusations, it was "you you you"! > > Yes, Madame Katherine Tingley led the Theosophical Society of America; the > Revival of the Lost Mysteries of Antiquity; The Raja Yoga School, Academy > and College; and a self-sufficient community in the doctrines of Theosophy > and the Satanic arts of spiritism (seances) TOM: ...and VCR Repair! > . She offered herself as a > medium MIKE: Unfortunately, she was a large. > to the spirit realm (contact with the dead, trances), was familiar > with clairvoyant/psychic skills (using demons to obtain information), and > gave "prophetic" utterances. She conducted secret midnight ceremonies on > our grounds to initiate followers. The famous "purple ball" was > constructed on top of Mieras Hall at her direction, the color chosen for > its occult significance. CROW: So I take it that TRUTH "edits" his Lucky Charms in the morning. > Her works included the arts, literature, and many > fine humanitarian efforts, but the Theosophy she embraced was taught from > a variety of mystical beliefs, the primary ones being Hinduism and > Buddhism, mixed with Christianity, TOM: Mixed with oregano, and brought to a slow boil. > and the use of occultic and Egyptian > symbolism. She was also investigated by the Society for the Prevention of > Cruelty to Children for alleged child abuse on our grounds. MIKE: Well, their allegations would have a bit more behind them than all of TRUTH's, wouldn't they? CROW: Well, no cute acronyms and they're not anonymous, so there's actual CREDIBILITY there. > > Such is the spiritually dark heritage of our Christian campus. > > Madame Tingley's maternal grandfather was also a mystic and a Freemason > enabling the demonic spirits of deception and witchcraft to pass through > their family line to her. TOM: Ah, the famous evil gene discovered by Liposky in 1942. MIKE: Is that a fact? TOM: No, but SOMETHING has to try and help this argument. > Today, our students toy with the demonic realm, > performing mock seances on campus, ignorant that they are opening up their > own spirits to potential danger. In our time there have been reports of > Satanic rituals done on campus, rituals to defile and desecrate. CROW: Yet more rumors being passed by our Christian friend. > > But what has been passed on to us as a spiritual heritage for the PLNC > community of today? > > And where does our Lord Jesus Christ stand on these issues? Are all these > things done and gone and in the past? Does the remaining architecture and > history we enjoy on campus turn God's eyes away from the abominations done > here in Madame Tingley's day? Do her featured good works erase the sin and > defilement planted on these beautiful grounds so many years ago? TOM: So I guess TRUTH is saying that God is not capable of forgiving the sins of land, then. MIKE: And it never enters into his neat little world that some of these buildings might be historical landmarks and the college can't take them down? > > Is God's wrath turned away without repentance? > > Let's see what the Bible says: > > YES, LAND CAN BE SPIRITUALLY DEFILED IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. > > "For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity > upon it..." Leviticus 18:25 > > "Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which > I dwell..." Numbers 35:34 CROW: ...and land can be healed. "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. > > THE VERY PLACES WHERE WE WORSHIP CAN BE DEFILED. IS THAT A TRIVIAL THING > TO GOD? TOM: (ignoring page) Wow. That's impressive, Crow! Where did you learn that? CROW: One of those correspondence courses I was telling you about. > > "And He said to me, "Have you seen this, O son of Man? Is it a trivial > thing to the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they commit > here [in the Temple]?"" Ezekiel 8:17 MIKE: So, assuming the PLNC administration prayed over the land, TRUTH's argument here is shot to pieces, isn't it? > > "When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My > doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled my Holy Name by > the abominations which they committed..." Ezekiel 43:8 CROW: Yep, pretty much. > > MAKE NO MISTAKE, GOD IS ANGRY. TOM: Then erase this page, TRUTH! > > "...he [Manasseh] practiced soothsaying, used witchcraft and sorcery, and > consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the > Lord, to provoke Him to anger." 2 Chronicles 33:6 MIKE: So, God was angry once at Manasseh, whoever he is, and so he's angry at PLNC now? CROW: Mack trucks are driving through the holes in this argument. > > GOD HASN'T FORGOTTEN THE EVIL DONE ON THESE GROUNDS. > TOM: And He hasn't forgotten the evil done on this Earth. MIKE: And I'm starting to hope He hasn't forgotten the evil done on TRUTH's web page. > "For this, clothe yourself with sackcloth, lament and wail. For the fierce > anger of the Lord has not turned back from us." Jeremiah 4:7 > > "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to > Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, and then come and > stand before me in this house which is called by my name, and say, "We are > delivered to do all these abominations?" Jeremiah 7:19 CROW: Funny, my Bible databases I installed list Jeremiah 7:19 as reading "But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?" TOM: More proof that TRUTH is operating out of a bible all his own. MIKE: Yet the correct verse is strangely appropriate to this page. > > "There they burned incense on all the high places, like the nations whom > the Lord had carried away before them; and they did wicked things to > provoke the Lord to anger, for they served idols, of which the Lord had > said to them, "You shall not do this thing."" "And they caused their sons > and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and > soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to > provoke Him to anger." 2 Kings 17:11,17 CROW: Rather selective quoting there. TOM: Then again, even the Devil knows scripture. > > THE UNCONFESSED SIN IS PASSED ON THROUGH THE GENERATIONS. > > "For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the > fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who > hate Me..." Exodus 20:5 > > "Then those of Israelite lineage separated themselves from all foreigners; > and they stood and confessed their sins and the iniquities of their > fathers." Nehemiah 9:4 > > "O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and > Your fury be turned away from your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; > because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and > Your people are a reproach to all those around us..." Daniel 9:16 MIKE: All Old Testament references... CROW: That's so TRUTH can avoid troublesome little problems to his argument, namely that ALL sin is forgiven upon confession. > > SORRY, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. TOM: That's what we've been saying. > > "If a person sins, and commits any of these things which are forbidden to > be done by the commandments of the Lord, though he does not know it, yet > he is guilty and shall bear his iniquity." Leviticus 5:17 > > WE CANNOT DEPEND ON OUR CHRISTIAN HERITAGE TO ERASE THESE > ABOMINATIONS FOR US! MIKE: No, but we can depend on threats of libel suits erasing this abomination of a page for us. > > "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to > yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father." Luke 3:8 > > WE MUST SEPARATE FROM THE UNHOLY AND THE UNCLEAN. CROW: OK. TRUTH, you go over there. > > "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship > has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with > darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a > believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with > idols?...Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the > Lord. Do not touch what is unclean and I will receive you." 2 Corinthians > 6:14-16,17 > > YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO. TOM: File this in the round metal basket. > > "...if My people who are called by My name shall humble themselves, and > pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear > from heaven, and will forgive their sins and heal their land." 2 > Chronicles 7:14 MIKE: Hey, good call back there Crow. CROW: You'd expect him to see that this blows his argument away. > > REPENT INDIVIDUALLY, REPENT AS THE BODY OF CHRIST. TOM: ...and your proof that PLNC hasn't is...? > > "As many as I love I rebuke and chasten. Therefore, be zealous and > repent." Revelation 3:19 MIKE: Hey, what's that word "love" doing in this post? CROW: Well, TRUTH loves himself.... and... um... well... > > "Now, therefore," says the Lord, "Turn to me with all your heart, with > fasting, with weeping, and with mourning...Call a sacred assembly; gather > the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders...let the > priests, who minister to the Lord, weep between the porch and the alter; > let them say, "Spare Your people, O Lord, and do not give Your heritage to > reproach...Then the Lord will be zealous for His land, and pity His > people."" Joel 2:12,15,16,17,18 TOM: More selective quoting. > > "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from > all filthiness of the flesh and spirit MIKE: ...and this web page > , perfecting holiness in the fear of > God." 2 Corinthians 7:1 > > Dear Brethren in Christ: Please pray in repentance for the spiritual > cleansing of our campus, our PLNC community and our individual lives. We > must take action and actively reclaim these things for the glory and honor > of our Lord Jesus Christ. The buildings, the church, chapels, and the > grounds of the campus are defiled with the sins of the past, and the sins > remain. God does not take these things lightly. These sins are not atoned > for by the physical presence of a Christian college, a Christian church or > Christian people. But, true revival and fruitfulness will be given to > those who come forward now, humbled, sincere in heart, broken before Him, > because God is faithful. CROW: Again, your proof that this hasn't been done is? > > With steadfast love in Christ from, > T.R.U.T.H. > The TOM: Self > Righteous United Through Him > (website: http://www.users.cts.com/king/t/truth) > (e-mail: tr...@cts.com) > > Send E-Mail MIKE: Stop telling us what to do. > > Back to Home Page. > > CROW: (sighs) "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters." - Romans 14:1 MIKE: Or in other words, mind your own business? CROW: Exactly... [They leave...1...2...3...4...5...6...SOL Control Room] TOM: That was painful. That was like Ratliff writing religious tracts. MIKE: Not quite. Ratliff isn't quite that deliberate about being bad. [Ape Light flashes. Mike hits it.] MIKE: What do you think, um, sirs? [AL] BOBO: Delightful as always. You seem to have earned another visit from the Lawgiver. [SOL] ALL: (deadpan) Swell... [AL] [Pearl walks in] PEARL: Didn't think I'd remember those Internet experiments, did you, Nelson? Well, here in the year 2525, I've got TONS of them! One of my beloved Clayton's SPECIAL requests was that I not forget these bags of tripe. Your pain is only beginning, Nelson. (starts laughing evilly) PEANUT: Sh-she's laughing again... [Laughing stops.] PEARL: (looking at Peanut) Nnngh! [Laughing resumes] DISCLAIMER: Mystery Science Theater 3000 and its related characters and situations are trademarks of and (c) 1997 by Best Brains, Inc. All rights reserved. Use of copyrighted and trademarked material is for entertainment purposes only; no infringement on the original copyrights or trademarks held by Best Brains, Inc. is intended or should be inferred. No personal attack is intended on Stephen Ratliff, who is universally known as being a great sport about these MiSTings. I truly don't care whether Mr. TRUTH takes this as a personal attack and tries to equate the mocking of him with the mocking of God. If he decides to sue me, he would still have more legal problems. These statements are solely the opinion of Dave Hines and should not be interpreted as a statement of Point Loma Nazarene College. > After getting my warm fuzzy, I headed for the library to study. I threaded my > way carefully past all the PLNC women in their little black skirts that came > down to their belly button and their tight, white see-through shirts, complete > with lace bra. Ever so careful to keep my thoughts clear, I concentrated on > my previous warm fuzzy. --------------3E8F6DD163AE-- From: dhi...@kruncher.ptloma.edu Subject: MiSTed: "Dear Isabella IV" (Ratliff!) / "Exposing the Darkness at Point Loma Nazarene College" (2/3) Date: 1997/05/25 Message-ID: <864601469.21982@dejanews.com> X-Deja-AN: 243892457 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.61.179.193 (lp1-142.utech.net) Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 25 23:04:37 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: dhi...@kruncher.ptloma.edu Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc,alt.tv.mst3k > > Return-Path: From: [STUDENT] > Subject: Darkness at PLNC To: tr...@cts.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 > 18:47:10 -0700 (PDT) > > You've made some pretty incredible claims now let's see your proof. I've > seen no blood stains in Prescot Chapel. MIKE: Hey, it's a letter from OJ's defense team. > Now the women's underwear I > believe, however I would assume they were there for other reasons. In > closing I just like to ask you to print whatever it was that [FACULTY] > wrote in response to your claims. If you are as right as you think you are > you should be able to refute anything he says that you feel may be > threatening to the well being of our campus. Also feel free to write me > back or use anything that I wrote. CROW: (as TRUTH) That would imply we're more interested in the truth than in being right. Can't do it, sorry! > > > Return-Path: From: [STUDENT] Subject: > reply to website To: tr...@cts.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:55:18 -0700 > (PDT) > > Also disturbing are your claims concerning [FACULTY]. TOM: Also disturbing is the editing of these letters. > He is a > professor of one of my classes and my academic advisor. I cannot say that I > know him extremely well, but I can say that by all outward indications I have > experienced he is an upright Christian man. For you to print that he is not > saved is total effrontery. Do you know him personally, have you ever > conversed with him (other than the recent e-mails)? Besides the statement > that a student passed on to you, what do you base the accusation of his > "lostness" on? > > (We base this on what we have heard of his teachings in class, both firsthand > and by report.) MIKE: So basically, he gave you a bad grade, and you trade in gossip. Got it. > > Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:54:47 -0700 X-Sender: > [STUDENT] To: :@kruncher.ptloma.edu From: Pale > Angel Subject: To whom it may concern... Your page- Exposing the > Darkness at: Point Loma Nazarene College, is the most insulting, incorrect, > ignorant piece of raving drivel I have ever laid my eyes on. CROW: Finally! A statement on this page that makes sense. > Never has the > internet been put to a more insidious use than this. As a student of PLNC I > am shocked and offended -not by the supposed "truth" of what you say- but > instead by the arrogance by which you say it. I am not a Christian. I did > however grow up in a Christian home and know what "good" Christians are > supposed to behave like. > > Notice how he says what "good Christians" are supposed to behave like. > This is evidence of the teaching of the "Pharisees". > > If we are "good"Christians, we are supposed to be filled with God's Spirit > and His love and that will lead our behavior. If God's Spirit is not present in > us then we see ungodly behavior. I do not fault this person or anyone else > there on campus for their "bad behavior". > > They see a very strong DOUBLE STANDARD on campus and in the > Nazarene church. > > DON'T DANCE! DON'T SMOKE! DON'T DRINK! DON'T FEEL! DON'T > SPEAK! AND MOST OF ALL DON'T DO WHAT I DO !!! > > Look at what the Lord Jesus said : Matthew Chapter 23:1-8 > > 1 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, > 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (THE FALSE > TEACHERS) TOM: Jesus is saying a lot of numbers. MIKE: Those are verse numbers, Tom! > 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do > not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (This means they do not > practice what they preach) > 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on > men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their > fingers. > 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their > phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, > 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the > synagogues, > (The Fine Dining, the Golf Tournaments, the Fancy Cars and Homes, The > Big Salaries, etc.) > 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. (Dr. > Dr., Professor, Professor, Reverend, Reverend) > 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye > are brethren. > > Matthew 15:7-9 > 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people > draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; > but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for > doctrines the commandments of men. CROW: OK, whose side are you on? > > Many students have walked away from God because they see NO POWER in > the lives of their parents, pastors, teachers, etc. They are crying out for help! > They are tired of the HYPOCRISY OF THE PHARISEES AND SCRIBES > ON CAMPUS, AT HOME, AND IN THE CHURCH !!! > > WE SEE NO LIFE THEY CRY ! > > Why do you think so many go down to Tijuana every Wednesday night and > get wasted! They are tired of a dull, boring, lifeless Christianity!!! They are > turning to the occult, to sex, to homosexuality, to drugs, to rock music, to > anything but the DULL, BORING, DEATH THEY SEE IN THE CHURCH > !!! WAKE UP CHRISTIANS! SEE THE PAIN OF THE LOST AROUND > YOU !!! DO WE TRULY CARE ABOUT THEM AS GOD DOES? TOM: Well, YOU don't. > Take your walk with Christ seriously and cry out to God for the lost on > Campus! If you are walking with the Lord you should not be offended by a > call to repentance, confession, prayer, and holiness! > > Notice the rest of this student's letter. MIKE: Wait a minute, when did we leave the letter? > > Would you like to see the way of truth?? Do you need help to find your > meaning in life?? Would it help if we met face to face and had a nice long > talk?? probably not, but if you would like there are many other students on > campus (Christian and NonChristian) who would love to have it out with > you. To hear your side of the story. To see what kind of person puts this > "literature" on the internet and expects to be seen as a moderating force in > the issue. They have been alerted by your pamphlets and your page. And > they ARE LISTENING... So perhaps I am instead the enemy you challenge. > While I don't normally thrash places of worship or rape and pillage christian > campuses everywhere, CROW: At least, not normally. > I do in fact stand against you and your ideas.... > > -I love the dark. TOM: I haven't paid my electric bill. > > -I find entertainment in the occult. > > -I revel in my duality of humanity and spirituality. > > -I like this college. > > -I do not go to church and would probably fall asleep or > die of boredom if I did. > > -I Love Madam Tingley and would start a merchandise > chain of T-shirts and little plaster Greek Ampetheaters > just for the chance to see her. > > -I dance > > I do not do any of these from any religious point of view, however I drink in > the opportunities which arise to explore new facets of the jewel we call life. > Life by the way is not a satanic practice. > > If you like you can use any portion of this letter including my full name > in your page. Mind you several others are receiving a copy of this... and > the way information flies here I wouldn't be surprised if the whole school > is buzzing about this soon enough... I am going to make a webpage > concerning your claims. It will be a billboard of comments from anyone who > sees fit to. Meanwhile, I beseech you to write me back, let's talk. Share > ideas and verses... I'll lay off the cynicism for now, but... ah... well, > let's just say that sarcasm is an extremelly well defined trait in my > family. I could draw blood if I wanted to... > > Sincerely, Your Friendly Denizen of the Dark, > > [STUDENT] MIKE: (Folger's Crystals voice) Let's see if TRUTH recognizes any sarcasm. > > Here is another one that made me weep. CROW: Nope. > > Return-Path: From: [WITHHELD]@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:06:37 > -0400 (EDT) To: tr...@cts.com TOM: Insert AOL joke here. > > My son told me that PLNC had a web site but I didn't think I would find this! > I do agree with you however. I sent my son to that school, a very expensive > school, and he DISCOVERED HIMSELF! What he means is he's turning > into a homosexual! I should have sent him to a State school. Anyway, not > that it matters but I hope you do bring out the Darkness in that school. Let > me know how things go. MIKE: Obviously, he wouldn't be a homosexual at a state school... I... huh? TOM: Hehehe... the classics never die. > > WRITE TO THAT MAN AND ASK HIM IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE WE > ARE FOR REAL ! GOD IS SO GRIEVED BY THIS KIND OF DARKNESS CROW: No thanks. I try to avoid talking to most AOL people. TOM: God is grieved by this kind of self-righteousness too. > ! > > > Are you aware that the head speaker of last year's student > graduation ceremony was an admitted homosexual? MIKE: I was not aware of that. > > Many Students were saddened , disillusioned and outraged over this! > > A note here to any homosexuals who read this page. We must take this > opportunity to express here our deep sorrow and regret for the way the > church as a whole has responded to you as a group. This attitude is not of > God. We all need to continually ask God to forgive us of our wicked hearts. > The Lord Jesus loves all homosexuals and teaches us to do the same. This > has not been expressed enough to you as a group. We personally know that > many people turn to this lifestyle because they were abused as children and > /or have not found the love and healing they desire in the church. We are > sorry if you have not felt the love of Christ towards you. For this we are > deeply sorry. CROW: Red hot disclaimer action! > > But we on the other hand can never, never go against God's holy word. > Homosexuality is clearly against the word of God and only leads one into > deeper despair. (See Romans Chapter 1:24-32) This we believe should be the > position of a true believer. To love the sinner, but hate the sin. All sin is > grievious in the sight of our holy God. What about you PLNC? Where do you > stand on this issue? TOM: Pretty much against you. > > > Some feel the letters"PLNC" have come to mean, > " a Place of Little or No Christianity" MIKE: Some feel a better acronym for this page would be "LIES": "Losers Idolizing and Extolling Selves". CROW: This guy likes his acronyms! > > > > There are many problems at PLNC, a supposedly ideal "Christian Campus". > By touring the campus you might not see many outward signs of these > problems. > > The real truth is, PLNC has become a modern day WHITEWASHED > SEPULCHRE. It looks nice and pristine and white on the outside, but inside > is full of DEAD MAN'S BONES! TOM: (as TRUTH) I know, I put them there. > > Matthew 23:27-28 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye > are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, > but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye > also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of > hypocrisy and iniquity." MIKE: Again, quoting verses doesn't help when there's a good chance they're referring to you. > > Before we go on to expose some more of the very strange and perverse > happenings at PLNC let us now mention something very important. > > THE BRIGHT SPOT OF PLNC, IS IT'S STUDENTS! ALL: (Making kiss up sounds) CROW: This is, of course, after condemning students right and left above. > > We have found some very bright, energetic, and God-hungry students on > campus. There are some good things they are doing in their prayer times and > their ministries. We weep for them! The problem lies not with the students. It > is the administration and the faculty that we speak of here. Surely there are > some bright spots within them also. There are some who truly love the Lord, > and love serving Him by teaching and helping the students there. But in > some of the administration and the faculty we have found dead faith, > hypocrisy, legalism, sexual immorality, intellectual snobbery, rebellion and > pride. TOM: How can you have rebellion and legalism at the same time? MIKE: That was just the list of faults I was finding with this page... well except there's no proof here of sexual immorality. CROW: That's OK, do what TRUTH does! If you think so, it must be so! > > There is a total refusal to repent from these sins and to seek the True and > Living One. Instead students are taught to doubt their Christian faith. This is > not only taught by word, but also by example. TOM: Isn't a questioned faith stronger? MIKE: But that may lead people to be able see through this! > > I am sure some people will find our words "harsh" or "judgmental". We > have only to look at the words above of the Lord Jesus Christ to see what He > had to say to the religious hypocrites of His day. CROW: And to see what TRUTH has coming to him. > > Our Lord Jesus used very strong language indeed when addressing some of > the scribes and Pharisees. Look though at His response when the disciples > told Jesus that the Pharisees were offended by Jesus's words. TOM: Um... this is below, not above. > Matthew 15:12-14 "Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest > thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he > answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, > shall be rooted up.Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if > the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." MIKE: Then, either way, you should leave us alone! > > It was the humble, the broken, the children that Jesus was kind and gentle > to. He knew they were being misled by the adults. Although the students are > not children anymore, the Lord Jesus certainly cares just as much for them > also as He is aware that they are being led down the wrong path by the > prideful false teachers of this day. CROW: Jesus loves everyone the same. That doesn't make everyone children. > > Matthew 18:1-7 "At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, > Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little > child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say > unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall > not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble > himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of > heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth > me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, > it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and > that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because > of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man > by whom the offence cometh!" TOM: Ah. The famous formula of quoting from King James to make yourself sound smart. MIKE: Wasn't this guy defending his grammar errors earlier by saying Jesus spoke so that he could be understood? > > If one was to read the recent Crime Report Statistics published in the Point > Newspaper, one would get the impression that all is well on campus. The > truth is there has been some very severe and satanic incidents on campus > over the past few years. I believe the Security Dept. has been instructed to > keep these things quiet. CROW: See! If TRUTH believes, it must be so. TOM: Notice the constant shift from singular to plural pronouns. MIKE: He said earlier he was a group. I'm starting to think he's an individual and he's slipping up. > Some of these incidents have become well-known. > Others are swept neatly and quietly under the rug of silence. Here are a few > examples: > > 1. Prescott Prayer Chapel last year, was found to be desecrated in what > appeared to be some sort of satanic ritual. Blood and feces were splattered > on the walls and floor. Woman's undergarments were left there also, stained > with blood. This incident was kept very quiet. CROW: And does TRUTH have an alibi? > > 2. Sexual molestations of students have allegedly taken place for years on > campus. We have been told allegations of sexual molestation were taken to > the San Diego District attorney's office, but know one there was interested in > handling the case. The parents of the Nazarene students involved decided to > go up to the Los Angeles District attorney's office to press their claims. > According to our sources, although the DA believed the parents and said > they had a good case, he said he had no jurisdiction and could not help > them. One of the alleged perpetrators was [FACULTY], from > Communication Studies. It is rumored that he is now finally being forced to > retire. TOM: Ooohh... Libel Territory... MIKE: Again, lots of rumor trading from a supposed Christian. > > 3. There have been numerous incidents of break-ins and vandalism > throughout the campus. The most recent being the break-in occurring the > night of April 15th when someone trashed the library throwing books all > over the place, releasing many crickets throughout the building and other > miscellaneous deeds of darkness. CROW: Of course it was Satan! It couldn't be just a school prank! > > There are many, many other incidents like this going on. From the more > "innocent" type of things like gigantic food fights in the cafeteria, > break-ins/ and vandalism etc., to the much more serious type of satanic > ceremonies and rituals. TOM: Ahh... Food Fights are satanic now, huh? MIKE: I think this guy thinks any actions besides reading the Bible or or praying is satanic. TOM: Does that include designing self-righteous web pages? CROW: (as TRUTH) Shut up. > > When the Spirit of the Lord is in our lives we should have a soberness in > our spirit and be serious about our life as a believer. "Be sober, be > vigilant, for your adversary TOM: TRUTH. > the devil TOM: Call him what you want. > is like a roaring lion seeking to > devour."-1 Peter 5:18 The Spirit of God brings discipline, love, > self-control into our lives, not mayhem, vandalism and chaos. Again, I > believe these things are happening because of the lack of a true spiritual > leadership in the church and on campus. The main question is, "WHY ARE > THESE INCIDENTS HAPPENING ON A CHRISTIAN CAMPUS?" MIKE: No the main question is, "WHY IS THIS RUMOR TRADING BEING PUBLISHED BY A CHRISTIAN?" CROW: Oh, I see! Incidents caused by one or two people make the whole campus un-Christian. > > WHY IS PRESIDENT JIM BOND ALLOWING ALL OF THIS TO > CONTINUE ON CAMPUS? TOM: WHY IS CTS.COM ALLOWING THIS LIBELLOUS TRIPE ON THEIR WEB SERVER? > WHO IS REALLY RUNNING THINGS AT > PLNC? MIKE: Free Masons! > CAN WE BLAME THE LORD JESUS FOR ALL OF THIS? CROW: For this page? Well, um... > GOD > FORBID! CROW: Yeah, that was basically my answer. > > > TO BE CONTINUED ...... MIKE: Don't you threaten us! > > > TO UNDERSTAND THE OCCULTIC HISTORY OF THE CAMPUS > FIRST CLICK HERE TO VISIT PLNC'S OWN HISTORY PAGE, THEN > COMEBACK AND WE WILL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU! >>>>> PLNC > HISTORY TOM: TRUTH explains it all! > > CLICK HERE FOR MORE ON THE OCCULTIC HISTORY OF THE > CAMPUS/MADAME TINGLEY > CROW: Stop telling us what to do. > > > CLICK HERE FOR INFO ON TRUTH TOM: I think we're gathering all the info we need. > > > > Please send us an email with your comments. We especially want to hear > more feedback from more of the students. If you have been sexually harassed > by any of the faculty, staff or administration we want to help! Please drop us > a line. We promise complete confidentiality. >>>>> EMAIL TO TRUTH MIKE: Hey! I got it! TRUTH is Geraldo! > > > YOU ARE VISITOR : CROW: No, I am trapped and forced to read this. > > History of the Campus > > The present Point Loma campus of approximately 90 acres was first > established as an educational site by the Theosophical Society of America > and has been occupied since by Balboa TOM: (as Rocky) ADRIIIIIAAAANNNNN!!!!!!! > University, California Western > College, and United States International University. > > The early occupants of this campus erected CROW: Say! > a number of wooden buildings, CROW: Oh. [Mike shakes his head.] > several of which are still in use. Since 1953, 28 additional buildings > have been constructed on the campus and are in daily use. Several campus > building are of historical interest. Among these are: > > > > > The Greek Amphitheatre. The first of > its type to be built in the United States, it > provides a spectacular setting for > dramatic and musical presentations, and > for academic convocations. TOM: (As TRUTH) All Greek inspired things are evil! MIKE: Wasn't the New Testament originally written in Greek? CROW: (as TRUTH) Shut up. > > > > Mieras Hall. This interesting structure was built by the > Spaulding family and now houses several administrative > offices of the College. It is easily identified by the large purple > glass dome over the center of the building. TOM: A college is proud of a purple dome? > > > > Cabrillo Hall. Originally built as a residence for > Madame Tingley, the leader of the Theosophical > Society, This two story wooden building is located in > the central portion of the campus. MIKE: (spooky voice): And she's still there! > > > > | PLNC Home Page | Academic Departments | Alumni > Information | Library > | Collegiate Life | Information Resources | Whats New | > > This page was last updated on Saturday, April 26, 1997. CROW: Well, that historical info may change at any time, so come back often! > > Let me ask you a "Theosophical" question... TOM: Oh cripes. Now it's a musical. > > > > Q: Who said...? "Reincarnation gives our conception of God's infinite plan > a wide scope. It alone solves the problems of injustice and misery which > brood over our world." MIKE: Pia Zadora, for reasons still unclear. > > "I am certain that Jesus was an initiate, an advanced theosophist; so was > St. Paul." CROW: Doesn't "initiate" mean beginner? > > "Being a mystic, Jesus had some of this inner knowledge. He had evolved > through his different incarnations to a position of much trust in the > Supreme..." TOM: (unsure) Uh-huh... > > Q: And what familiar campus grounds did the L.A. Times nickname "THE > SPOOKERY" in the early 1900's? MIKE: All of them! > > A: Katherine Tingley, and her Theosophical Society endeavors built on OUR > VERY OWN POINT LOMA NAZARENE COLLEGE CAMPUS GROUNDS! CROW: What's this "our" stuff? Back when you were flinging accusations, it was "you you you"! > > Yes, Madame Katherine Tingley led the Theosophical Society of America; the > Revival of the Lost Mysteries of Antiquity; The Raja Yoga School, Academy > and College; and a self-sufficient community in the doctrines of Theosophy > and the Satanic arts of spiritism (seances) TOM: ...and VCR Repair! > . She offered herself as a > medium MIKE: Unfortunately, she was a large. > to the spirit realm (contact with the dead, trances), was familiar > with clairvoyant/psychic skills (using demons to obtain information), and > gave "prophetic" utterances. She conducted secret midnight ceremonies on > our grounds to initiate followers. The famous "purple ball" was > constructed on top of Mieras Hall at her direction, the color chosen for > its occult significance. CROW: So I take it that TRUTH "edits" his Lucky Charms in the morning. > Her works included the arts, literature, and many > fine humanitarian efforts, but the Theosophy she embraced was taught from > a variety of mystical beliefs, the primary ones being Hinduism and > Buddhism, mixed with Christianity, TOM: Mixed with oregano, and brought to a slow boil. > and the use of occultic and Egyptian > symbolism. She was also investigated by the Society for the Prevention of > Cruelty to Children for alleged child abuse on our grounds. MIKE: Well, their allegations would have a bit more behind them than all of TRUTH's, wouldn't they? CROW: Well, no cute acronyms and they're not anonymous, so there's actual CREDIBILITY there. > > Such is the spiritually dark heritage of our Christian campus. > > Madame Tingley's maternal grandfather was also a mystic and a Freemason > enabling the demonic spirits of deception and witchcraft to pass through > their family line to her. TOM: Ah, the famous evil gene discovered by Liposky in 1942. MIKE: Is that a fact? TOM: No, but SOMETHING has to try and help this argument. > Today, our students toy with the demonic realm, > performing mock seances on campus, ignorant that they are opening up their > own spirits to potential danger. In our time there have been reports of > Satanic rituals done on campus, rituals to defile and desecrate. CROW: Yet more rumors being passed by our Christian friend. > > But what has been passed on to us as a spiritual heritage for the PLNC > community of today? > > And where does our Lord Jesus Christ stand on these issues? Are all these > things done and gone and in the past? Does the remaining architecture and > history we enjoy on campus turn God's eyes away from the abominations done > here in Madame Tingley's day? Do her featured good works erase the sin and > defilement planted on these beautiful grounds so many years ago? TOM: So I guess TRUTH is saying that God is not capable of forgiving the sins of land, then. MIKE: And it never enters into his neat little world that some of these buildings might be historical landmarks and the college can't take them down? > > Is God's wrath turned away without repentance? > > Let's see what the Bible says: > > YES, LAND CAN BE SPIRITUALLY DEFILED IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. > > "For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity > upon it..." Leviticus 18:25 > > "Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which > I dwell..." Numbers 35:34 CROW: ...and land can be healed. "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. > > THE VERY PLACES WHERE WE WORSHIP CAN BE DEFILED. IS THAT A TRIVIAL THING > TO GOD? TOM: (ignoring page) Wow. That's impressive, Crow! Where did you learn that? CROW: One of those correspondence courses I was telling you about. > > "And He said to me, "Have you seen this, O son of Man? Is it a trivial > thing to the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they commit > here [in the Temple]?"" Ezekiel 8:17 MIKE: So, assuming the PLNC administration prayed over the land, TRUTH's argument here is shot to pieces, isn't it? > > "When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My > doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled my Holy Name by > the abominations which they committed..." Ezekiel 43:8 CROW: Yep, pretty much. > > MAKE NO MISTAKE, GOD IS ANGRY. TOM: Then erase this page, TRUTH! > > "...he [Manasseh] practiced soothsaying, used witchcraft and sorcery, and > consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the > Lord, to provoke Him to anger." 2 Chronicles 33:6 MIKE: So, God was angry once at Manasseh, whoever he is, and so he's angry at PLNC now? CROW: Mack trucks are driving through the holes in this argument. > > GOD HASN'T FORGOTTEN THE EVIL DONE ON THESE GROUNDS. > TOM: And He hasn't forgotten the evil done on this Earth. MIKE: And I'm starting to hope He hasn't forgotten the evil done on TRUTH's web page. > "For this, clothe yourself with sackcloth, lament and wail. For the fierce > anger of the Lord has not turned back from us." Jeremiah 4:7 > > "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to > Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, and then come and > stand before me in this house which is called by my name, and say, "We are > delivered to do all these abominations?" Jeremiah 7:19 CROW: Funny, my Bible databases I installed list Jeremiah 7:19 as reading "But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?" TOM: More proof that TRUTH is operating out of a bible all his own. MIKE: Yet the correct verse is strangely appropriate to this page. [To be concluded...] -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From: dhi...@kruncher.ptloma.edu Subject: MiSTed: "Dear Isabella IV" (Ratliff!) / "Exposing the Darkness at Point Loma Nazarene College" (3/3) Date: 1997/05/25 Message-ID: <864601583.22155@dejanews.com> X-Deja-AN: 243892477 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.61.179.193 (lp1-142.utech.net) Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 25 23:06:25 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: dhi...@kruncher.ptloma.edu Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc,alt.tv.mst3k > > "There they burned incense on all the high places, like the nations whom > the Lord had carried away before them; and they did wicked things to > provoke the Lord to anger, for they served idols, of which the Lord had > said to them, "You shall not do this thing."" "And they caused their sons > and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and > soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to > provoke Him to anger." 2 Kings 17:11,17 CROW: Rather selective quoting there. TOM: Then again, even the Devil knows scripture. > > THE UNCONFESSED SIN IS PASSED ON THROUGH THE GENERATIONS. > > "For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the > fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who > hate Me..." Exodus 20:5 > > "Then those of Israelite lineage separated themselves from all foreigners; > and they stood and confessed their sins and the iniquities of their > fathers." Nehemiah 9:4 > > "O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and > Your fury be turned away from your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; > because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and > Your people are a reproach to all those around us..." Daniel 9:16 MIKE: All Old Testament references... CROW: That's so TRUTH can avoid troublesome little problems to his argument, namely that ALL sin is forgiven upon confession. > > SORRY, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. TOM: That's what we've been saying. > > "If a person sins, and commits any of these things which are forbidden to > be done by the commandments of the Lord, though he does not know it, yet > he is guilty and shall bear his iniquity." Leviticus 5:17 > > WE CANNOT DEPEND ON OUR CHRISTIAN HERITAGE TO ERASE THESE > ABOMINATIONS FOR US! MIKE: No, but we can depend on threats of libel suits erasing this abomination of a page for us. > > "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to > yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father." Luke 3:8 > > WE MUST SEPARATE FROM THE UNHOLY AND THE UNCLEAN. CROW: OK. TRUTH, you go over there. > > "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship > has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with > darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a > believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with > idols?...Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the > Lord. Do not touch what is unclean and I will receive you." 2 Corinthians > 6:14-16,17 > > YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO. TOM: File this in the round metal basket. > > "...if My people who are called by My name shall humble themselves, and > pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear > from heaven, and will forgive their sins and heal their land." 2 > Chronicles 7:14 MIKE: Hey, good call back there Crow. CROW: You'd expect him to see that this blows his argument away. > > REPENT INDIVIDUALLY, REPENT AS THE BODY OF CHRIST. TOM: ...and your proof that PLNC hasn't is...? > > "As many as I love I rebuke and chasten. Therefore, be zealous and > repent." Revelation 3:19 MIKE: Hey, what's that word "love" doing in this post? CROW: Well, TRUTH loves himself.... and... um... well... > > "Now, therefore," says the Lord, "Turn to me with all your heart, with > fasting, with weeping, and with mourning...Call a sacred assembly; gather > the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders...let the > priests, who minister to the Lord, weep between the porch and the alter; > let them say, "Spare Your people, O Lord, and do not give Your heritage to > reproach...Then the Lord will be zealous for His land, and pity His > people."" Joel 2:12,15,16,17,18 TOM: More selective quoting. > > "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from > all filthiness of the flesh and spirit MIKE: ...and this web page > , perfecting holiness in the fear of > God." 2 Corinthians 7:1 > > Dear Brethren in Christ: Please pray in repentance for the spiritual > cleansing of our campus, our PLNC community and our individual lives. We > must take action and actively reclaim these things for the glory and honor > of our Lord Jesus Christ. The buildings, the church, chapels, and the > grounds of the campus are defiled with the sins of the past, and the sins > remain. God does not take these things lightly. These sins are not atoned > for by the physical presence of a Christian college, a Christian church or > Christian people. But, true revival and fruitfulness will be given to > those who come forward now, humbled, sincere in heart, broken before Him, > because God is faithful. CROW: Again, your proof that this hasn't been done is? > > With steadfast love in Christ from, > T.R.U.T.H. > The TOM: Self > Righteous United Through Him > (website: http://www.users.cts.com/king/t/truth) > (e-mail: tr...@cts.com) > > Send E-Mail MIKE: Stop telling us what to do. > > Back to Home Page. > > CROW: (sighs) "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters." - Romans 14:1 MIKE: Or in other words, mind your own business? CROW: Exactly... [They leave...1...2...3...4...5...6...SOL Control Room] TOM: That was painful. That was like Ratliff writing religious tracts. MIKE: Not quite. Ratliff isn't quite that deliberate about being bad. [Ape Light flashes. Mike hits it.] MIKE: What do you think, um, sirs? [AL] BOBO: Delightful as always. You seem to have earned another visit from the Lawgiver. [SOL] ALL: (deadpan) Swell... [AL] [Pearl walks in] PEARL: Didn't think I'd remember those Internet experiments, did you, Nelson? Well, here in the year 2525, I've got TONS of them! One of my beloved Clayton's SPECIAL requests was that I not forget these bags of tripe. Your pain is only beginning, Nelson. (starts laughing evilly) PEANUT: Sh-she's laughing again... [Laughing stops.] PEARL: (looking at Peanut) Nnngh! [Laughing resumes] DISCLAIMER: Mystery Science Theater 3000 and its related characters and situations are trademarks of and (c) 1997 by Best Brains, Inc. All rights reserved. Use of copyrighted and trademarked material is for entertainment purposes only; no infringement on the original copyrights or trademarks held by Best Brains, Inc. is intended or should be inferred. No personal attack is intended on Stephen Ratliff, who is universally known as being a great sport about these MiSTings. I truly don't care whether Mr. TRUTH takes this as a personal attack and tries to equate the mocking of him with the mocking of God. If he decides to sue me, he would still have more legal problems. These statements are solely the opinion of Dave Hines and should not be interpreted as a statement of Point Loma Nazarene College. > After getting my warm fuzzy, I headed for the library to study. I threaded my > way carefully past all the PLNC women in their little black skirts that came > down to their belly button and their tight, white see-through shirts, complete > with lace bra. Ever so careful to keep my thoughts clear, I concentrated on > my previous warm fuzzy. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet